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not everyone can be a foster parent... but anyone can help a foster child. goodevening, we start with a story of two tapes. neither one is new, but parts unseen, frankly, we're not able to stay for sure. the timing of the their release, or possibly their re-release seems expressly designed to score political points, the first, of a speech then-senator barack obama gave back in 2007. the daily caller bills it as "obama's other race speech," a barely recognizable obama. says lavr ishes praise on
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reverend wright, claims the government spends too much on suburbs, not enough on "our neighborhoods." earlier, we played the clip about where he praised jeremiah wright. and now the difference of the response of hurricane katrina to hurricane andrew. >> down in new orleans, there is a federal law called the stafford act. the local government has to give a match. here is the thing. when 9/11 happened in new york city, they waved the stafford
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act. forget that dollar you have to put in. here is $10. and that was the right thing to do. when hurricane andrew struck in florida, they said look at this devastation, don't expect you to put that money in. what's happening in new orleans? where is your dollar, where is your stafford act money? makes no sense. tells me the but let hasn't been taken out. tells me that somehow the people in new orleans, they don't care about as much. >> president obama, that was five years ago. decide for yourself whether this shows a side of barack obama never been seen before as the
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daily caller suggestsor nothing new. the president seems to be speaking at a difference cadence and a different kind of voice than he does in other speeches. decide the same thing about this. the content of this next video the huffington post first linked this video to it earlier today, paul ryan speaking at a 2011 dinner hosted by the american spectator, con serbtive magazine and this sounds a lot like mitt romney's comment on the 47%. >> the good news, still shows survey after survey, shows 70% of americans believe in the american dream, only 30% want the welfare state. half of the people currently in the category are there not of their wish or their will. >> liberal websites are focusing on the ryan speech, and the
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huffington post says they learned of a clip because a reader. ryan's campaign says only 30% want the welfare state, just as it is every day on t campaign trail, and the size trail, and so let's talk about this, whether these videos amount to anything. and political analyst roland martin, and red state.com and professor boise watkins of syracuse university. eric, on the obama tape, to you, what is the significance of it? >> the circumstances of it is the media. it was the media that portrayed barack obama as a post racial president. the media has portrayed barack obama above the political rhetoric that both -- here is barack obama telling a black crowd basically they aren't part of the american community. he said florida was with hurricane andrew, and with hurricane katrina it wasn.
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the facts simply weren't true, hurricane katrina got $110 billion to the gulf coast. well more than was spent in new york, with the stafford exemption. additional grant for the federal government. had a white politician done this to a white crowd crowd, saying a black president was denying funds to a white section of the country as not part of the community, the press would tear him alive. if you don't believe me, ask trent lott. >> is it also the way president obama was speaking? did it raise his eyebrows to you and it shows president obama is different than the way he regularly portrays himself? >> anderson, i'm from louisiana, if i were talking to you the way i talked to friends back home, you wouldn't be able ton me. >> my dad is from mississippi. >> this is a politician pandering to a crowd. george bush would sound more southern below the mason/dixon line. and the right still lamb upons
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hillary clinton for trying to put on an accent. politicians on both sides do that. >> roland martin what do you make of this obama video? >> i think it's utterly laughable that sean hahnity, daily caller and the rest of these folks are making this out to be significant. something written on june 7, 2007, was a headline i wrote on cnn.com. obama's quiet riots are real. >> quiet riot is a phrase he used in this very speech. >> no, no. i was referencing the speech he gave to the hampton minister's conference. here is the deal. talk about the amount of money spent on the gulf coast. alabama, mississippi, okay? is this going to have any impact on this election? absolutely not. this is nothing more than sean
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hahnity's infan situation with reverend jeremiah wright, pure and simple. >> is there a significance to this you believe? >> i think that there is no material significance here, but the republicans are very good at taking nothing and turning it into what appears to be something. we have to remember that we live in a country that has for 400 years poisoned by the psychological disease of racism and it doesn't take much to spark that back up. look at what president obama is saying you wouldn't hear white politicians saying what he said, because african-americans have a unique history in this country. we have a history of documented discrimination, that is -- effectively undeniable. look at what happened with katrina anybody in their right mind would say there was disparity there. and any president white or black should note that, not as criticism of greatness of america, but as an opportunity for our country to get a little bit better.
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>> that's what president obama was doing. >> go ahead, eric. >> when you listen to him, he is telling a black crowd, uses the phrase regarding hurricane andrew, the government saw those people as part of the american community, and the people who were affected by hurricane katrina my parents and my family, for example, as something other. addressing a largely black crowd and making the point that very clearly, that they in new orleans got treated differently from people in new york and people in florida, because they weren't part of the american community. that's fanning the flames. >> one at a time, boys. go ahead. >> can you really argue there was parody in the treatment there? there's no way you can oorg eau that. president obama is not a man here to offer just cosmetic diversity to the white house to carry black skin into the white house to make us feel better. it's okay for him to come out of closet and be a black man sometimes and use that opportunity to talk about many soft things our country needs to discuss. nobody, especially
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internationally, can see what happened in katrina and pretend that race did not play a role. >> that's baloney. >> hogwash. >> one at a time. >> are you both on skype, so it's a little complicated. but critics are watching this video and saying, he's speaking differently to a crowd and saying things that he has not said to a larger audience. is that a fair criticism? or is it because the crowd he's speaking to? >> first thing, speaker dennis hastert said at this time, questioned whether we should build new orleans. i think there was significant pushback from people in that region, specific about the city of new orleans, and eric's point that did come up. >> it was a racial point. about new orleans being below sea level. >> one second. one second, okay? my point is, from new orleans, they were offended by that. here is the deal.
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and he had talked to the congressional black caucus, how he sees him, what he said. i heard him naacp, 2009, talked about what he did in terms of schools, those lines, and got criticized for saying basically lecturing african-americans that he wouldn't do it for the white audience. didn't hear anybody white or conservative complain about that, you pull yourself up by your boot straps. let's be honest. politicians have always talked different ways, different groups, whether are you democrat or republican, conservative or liberal. >> but, rollland, what critics are saying, he's whole message of we're not a white america or black america or blue state america or red state america. this shows him being divisive to that you say what?
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>> i think we lost roland. he's on a train. >> as a native of louisiana, i am horrified and offended that somehow louisiana and new orleans were treated horribly by the bush administration because they were black. mississippi got hit as well. i have an entire family and friends that were gone because of hurricane katrina mississippi was treated identically as louisiana and had its act together. it wasn't a george bush thing. it was a louisiana government, notoriously corrupt and hang that on some racism against louisiana, not only deeply offensive, but it perpetrates wounds in this country that would probably close except people like barack obama telling a black crowd you were treated differently because uyou were black. >> we want more on this discussion, but we have to stop right now because of time. we'll be hear more about this tomorrow. up next, the shifting stories about what really happened at the embassy compound in benghazi, libya, i'm joined by arwa damon, and the fbi spent
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not see anywhere else. tonight, a story you will not see anywhere else. for the first time, cnn's arwa damon talks about what she experienced when she first set foot inside the american compound in benghazi. what the terrible scene was like after the deadly assault that killed four americans. evidence she saw that might have been useful to investigators. that is, had investigators ever had a chance to stand where she stood. indications perhaps that might help locate the culprits. keeping them honest, nearly everyone and anyone has now been able to gain access to the crime scene, except, that is, for fbi agents and now for them, it's no longer worth taking the risk to going to benghazi. but there is at least some indication tonight that enough is known about who did this to begin planning some kind of response. a senior american official telling us that the pentagon and intelligence community have begun preparing so-called target packages, detailed information that can be used to capture or kill some of the terrorists who did this. now, at the same time, though, the administration continues to
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come under withering fire, especially, not exclusively, from republican lawmakers over the killings and whether they might have been prevented some way. members of the house oversight committee today sent a letter to the state department asking for answers in person from secretary clinton, leveling serious allegations including these, the attack quote, was clearly never as administration officials once insisted, the result of a popular protest. more damningly, this, quote, multiple u.s. federal government officials have confirmed the committee that prior to the september 11 attacks, the u.s. mission in libya made repeated requests for increased security in benghazi. the letter goes on to detail a series of attacks and incidents in libya that formed the basis for those calls for more security resources, resources that the letter alleges were denied by officials in washington. we'll have more on that angle shortly. first, arwa damon joins me. she's back from libya and joins me here in new york. very good to see you safe and sound. walk me back. you were at the site three days after the attack. you have some still photographs that have never been seen before.
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describe what we see. >> well, the first in these photographs is basically the exterior of the main building at the compound itself. this is the building where the ambassador resided, and the right hand portion of the building is where the so-called safe room was supposed to be. as you can see, the burning all occurred inside the building itself. >> it doesn't look very touched on the outside. >> no. very much a lot of the damage on this building inside, happening inside. the fire burning. there's one part of the building where there's an entrance way into this so-called safe room, that is pretty much just a heavy metal door. that door was shut when we arrived. that's the interior of the building. that was the ambassador's bedroom. that chair right there next to that chair is where we actually found the ambassador's journal. the doorway leading into this part of the building was shut, as i was saying, this metal door blocking that off. you can see it right there. there was pretty much no way to get out, because all of the windows at the point where we were there had metal on the exterior of them, except for the one window where the ambassador's body was carried
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out. that is how we crawled in. eyewitnesses who were there said they had to physically remove the bars from that building, you see it right there. they had to remove the bars from that window to get the ambassador's body out. >> how were you able to get access to the site? was there any security there? >> no. there pretty much wasn't. we drove up to the main gate. at the time that we were there, the head of the general national congress was conducting a tour. we walked in, interviewed him, then spent over an hour on site filming, walking around looking at things. we were there, the owner of the compound was there along with some of his relatives. there were some security guards, the gardner, and a bunch of libyans rifling through everything and people were telling us that they had full-on access to it. >> the libyans rifling through things? >> rifling through things, picking up bits and pieces. they had actually laid a wreath earlier on the outside of one of these things. >> so other information, there had been classified information, whatever, could have picked up by libyans and taken away. >> we were told there was a lot
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taken away. people said there was a safe there that was taken away. what we also saw while there were things one would have assumed would have been of interest to investigators, had they gone. the toilet in this safe room suite, as we call it, has a very strange what seems to be a very strange blood stain on the side of it. you can see it in the images right there. we don't know what that is. we don't know what happened but it raises a lot of questions as to what could have taken place. there's another part in this same area where it looks like a handprint is on the wall that has slid down. again, a lot of unanswered questions. >> there's a story that a fire was set, that diesel fuel was poured around the exterior of the room or part of the compound. did you see any signs of that? >> what's clear is that the exterior of the compound, the exterior of the various buildings, were not set on fire. the burning that took place that we saw all happened on the inside. >> really.
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that's interesting. so what does that tell you? do you see any signs of rpgs, holes in roofs or -- >> there is one hole in the main building that looks like it could have been caused by a rocket-propelled grenade. there is the main doorway into the main building was splintered, looked as if it had possibly been forced open. there was holes in the walls, it looked like they could have been shrapnel but on the exterior of the buildings, there were not a lot of signs of very heavy, intense damage that would have been caused by rocket-propelled grenades but we still did see even three days on a number of shell casings on the ground. again, other bits and pieces that had been very rifled through, a lot of things had been taken, but there were bits and pieces that could have provided clues. >> overall the security situation in benghazi, the fbi has not gone in. there was concern they would not be able to set up a perimeter, safe perimeter that they could do an investigation, that mortars could be fired in. what is the security situation like right now? >> it's very much open space.
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there still is not heavy security, at least there wasn't when we left there around a week ago. there aren't checkpoints leading up to it, for example. it's very open. now, could they hypothetically, the libyan government has said they're willing to provide investigators with security using whatever assets they have, whether it's members of the libyan army, members of the various militias who they deem to be even more trustworthy. >> could a friendly militia group there seal off a large enough area? >> the february 17th militia which is the largest one in benghazi and arguably the most powerful one is the one that eventually did come to the aid of those who were in the consulate while the attack was taking place. they have offered security and it was members of this militia, in fact, who say that they were the ones who warned the americans three days before the attack took place that there was
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a heightened threat against them. >> i want to bring in fran townsend. fran, fran and arwa both have been breaking news on this story really from the beginning. as you know, fran was homeland security advisor during the george w. bush administration, as we often point out, she currently serves on the cia's external advisory committee and recently traveled to libya with her employer, mcandrews and forbes. she had actually met with ambassador stevens. what do you make of the pictures you see of what arwa's talking about? >> as i listen to arwa, it just reinforces whawe said last week and we've said from the beginning. investigators have to go there, even if you didn't have all the physical evidence there that arwa just described to our viewers, you would want to know from the witness interviews, anderson, you would want to know measurements, you would want to be able to take people through it to really understand what the dynamic was. but then you see things like handprints and blood samples. one of the things, the first thing you would do, i'll give you an example, that is you would take the blood sample off the toilet and the bidet and see whether or not it matched first to the ambassador's. did he fall? there's all sorts of things you would want to know. you know, the pictures we've
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seen publicly of his body doesn't look like he did, but you don't know. and all those sorts of bits of information, it is true, it would be a less valuable crime scene now because people have rifled through it, but there's always some value and what they're telling us now is that they think the risk is too great in terms of the security, but i have never understood, if the february 17th brigade was there, they were friendly, they were willing, and we trusted them, certainly, before the attack, why we wouldn't have taken them along with u.s. military assets and set up the perimeter that the fbi needed. >> i mean, even theoretically, a lot of people will tweet in and say well, if you were able to get to it, how come some american investigators wouldn't be able to. i guess it's a question of how much time american investigators would want to spend to actually do a full, thorough forensic investigation. >> that's part of it, anderson, but the other piece to this is they represent -- when the american investigators go in, they represent the united states. there's a certain international respect for journalists. it's not -- it's plenty
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dangerous for arwa to be there but they represent -- >> it would be a heightened target, obviously. i guess part of it, too, if mortar fire was involved in the initial attack or rpg fire, if they were to come under fire, the investigators, they would want to be able to return fire to take out mortar positions, anti-battery positions and to do that, you would need a significant capability to return fire. >> that's exactly right. and everybody we've spoken to suggests that look, if we had to go in, we didn't want to bring in that big a footprint and it would have been difficult for the libyan government, although cooperative, to agree to that at such a fragile time in the establishment of this. >> you have new information on the u.s. preparing target packages. >> you know, it's funny, when i read this, i would have been surprised if they weren't doing that. remember, after the east african embassy bombings, the clinton administrations launched into training camps in afghanistan and sudan. this is part of the usual process, right? you look at the intelligence and the military will prepare and say what targets do we have,
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what is our basis for making them a target, that is, capture, kill, target with drones, and what is our likelihood of success. also, there's a secondary process of who would we like to have more on, if we had that information, we could prepare better target packages, and they'll levy requirements on the intelligence agencies to go out and get that information for them. so it's sort of an ongoing process between the intelligence community and the military community as they prepare in case the president asks for options. in the meantime, on parallel tracks, you've got congress, you've got the state department investigation, and you've got the fbi. >> arwa, you spent a lot of time in war zones. is there something about this that surprised you, about what you saw, about gaining access to this site? >> it was that it was really such a soft target. you would not expect any establishment, never mind a consulate, to have had such a lack of security to it, especially in a place where there had been attacks against the west. the location itself had been
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targeted and the u.s. was monitoring not too far away, around a three hour drive away, and around it, the activity of known extremist groups who, in some cases, are being led with individuals who are directly affiliated, if not members of al qaeda in and of itself. it was such a soft target. >> arwa and i were talking earlier, and the thing that strikes me about that, anderson, is every counterterrorism specialist will tell you one of the hallmarks of al qaeda is they return to failed targets. so the "uss cole" that was the success the year before, the trade center in '93, then back in 2001. the notion that there were at least two attempts at this consulate and nobody made this a really hard target is really a dereliction of duty. that's part of the outrage you're hearing. there's plenty of partisanship in washington but there's a certain sense of outrage and i
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let's dig deeper now, president owe became kra and mitt romney take the stage tomorrow night, how they look may speak volumes over what they actually say. we have an associate professor at harvard business school. she joins me now. you say when it comes to gestures, ones that convey power and warmth are really important to making effective politician, and you point to former president bill clinton as master
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of warmth. i want to show a video of him during a town hall with ross perot and george bush. >> you know people who lost their homes and lost their homes? >> uh-huh. >> he's walking toward this woman, toward this voter, away from the people on stage. focused on the voter, not on the other candidates, he's gentle, his body language is gentle. leaning toward her, even softened his voice. he's nodding, makes incredible eye contact. he signals to people when he is talking to them, are you the only person in the room. you are the only person. the clinton tractor beam that really melted people. >> i feel your pain without even saying it. >> that's exactly right. >> a classic moment from a debate in 2000, i want to show that and see what al gore does
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and how george bush reacts. >> not only what your philosophy and position on issues, but can you get things done? and i believe i can. >> explain that? >> this looked very overscripted and rehearsed. he wants to show dominance and out alpha bush by walking into his space, but it just completely backfires, it doesn't look natural, so it makes him like disingenuous and bush handles it so incredibly well, makes it look even worse for gore. and then you can see how wooden al gore's face looks in response to that reaction. >> in terms of classic power moves during the debate, what are they? >> one is who initiates the handshake. they are both vying to be the one who initiated the handshake. second, during the handshake, look at who is grabbing whose arm? obama often will not only shake the hand, but grab the arm of
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the person whose hand he's shaking. that's a real powerful move. another one is to hold the sides of the podium, and that -- that allows you to expand and expansive postures are associated with power, strekts, and dominance. >> positive versus negative body moves are you looking for in tomorrow night's debate. >> let's talk about the negatives first. they are fu please, no finger pointing. it almost never works. >> is that why politics do the thumb on the first thing? i have never seen an actual human use this gesture. politicians seem to do that. >> i think that's a clinton thing. it looks like he's holding a remote control. open gestures are almost always more effective than any closed gestures. >> it's important for a candidate's body language to match what they are saying, right? a classic example going back to 2007, john mccain talking about osama bin laden. i want to play that. >> on the subject of osama bin laden, he is responsible for the
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deaths of thousands of innocent americans, he is now orchestrating other attacks on the united states of america, we will do whatever is necessary, we will track him down, we will capture, bring him to justice and i'll follow him to the gates of hell. >> okay. >> oh, gosh. >> that was like a smile. >> yes. so that's -- you know, sort of nonverbal asin cronie. between either the content of what the person is saying and the nonverbals or the asynchroni. when you are saying you are following someone to the gates of hell, you shouldn't be smiling. viewers don't know why, but it makes them feel bad. >> there are reports that romney's team is preparing what are called zingers for tomorrow night's debate. when a candidate has been stung by one, it can be very effective. the exchange between ronald
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reagan and walter mondale demonstrates a very effective use of this. take a look. >> i had not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> did mondale's reaction help him there? >> i don't think it hurt him. i think that what -- i think what you saw was net positive. i think it definitely helped reagan, he owned responsible criticism verbally and delivered it so comfortably and warmly. mondale's reaction was comfortable, and warm in response. the general feeling was positive, but people are going -- voter as contribute th positive feeling they had to reagan, not to mondale. >> it's fascinating stuff. amy, appreciate your expert he's. thank you. >> thanks, thank you. >> i find that stuff fascinating. we'll look for body language
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less than 24 hours from now, with the election five weeks away, president obama and mitt romney will face off. presidential debates can shift race. joining me now alan schroeder, a professor of the school of
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journalism in northeast university in boston. author of "presidential debates, 50 years of high-risk tv" and patrick mill sapz who served as chief of staff in newt gingrich's campaign. you say the pie is baloney line is one of his strongest hits during his campaign run against mitt romney. >> can be drop some of the pious baloney? you ran in '94 and lost. that's why you weren't serving in the senate for rick santorum. suddenly citizenship showed up in your mind, level with the american people. you have been running since the 1 990s. >> how much of those zingers are prethought out and what does mitt romney have to do to avoid taking a big hit tomorrow night? >> that was all newt. part of great thing about newt, he knew the topic, knew the weak
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points, but prepared to answer the question. if you can come up with pious baloney, that puts a cherry on top. if you googled baloney two hours after the debate, you would get oscar meyer and then newt gingrich. romney has the same opportunity, when it comes to obama's populous messages, i'm one of the common guys and you're out of touch. romney has an opportunity to say you have made $2 million in one year, you spent more money in your time in the white house than the royal family. how are you you one of the common man? i think preparation is important, knowing the material is important. but then being comfortable enough in your own skin and comfortable with the topic that you can come up with a pious baloney moment. they aren't planned, aren't scripted, it just happens when it happens. >> but, professor schroeder, we've heard reports that the romney campaign has been preparing some so-called zingers
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that mitt romney's practiced and can use. i don't know why they would leak that kind of information, because it's like setting you up to fail if it doesn't work out. but how important are little lines like that, do you think? in the history of debates? >> i think they can be very important. i am suspicious about the fact that they are talking about it so much in advance. the mere fact they are tell gating means they don't plan to go through with it. it's hard to work a zinger in organically and that's the beauty of a line like pious baloney, it flowed naturally into the conversation. >> in terms of -- a lot of people rember newt gingrich talking about moon colonies during the primary. mitt romney hit back at him on that. >> i spent 25 years in business if i had a business executive come to me and said they want to spend a few billion to put a colony on the moon, i'd say you're fired. >> you think that's an example
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of romney at his best, straight forward, and business experience at his best. transfer diminished newt gingrich, made him look foolish and then subliminally, reinforced romney as someone with business credentials, he got to refer to himself as a ceo. you want a two-pronged attack, helps you and hurts the other guy. >> it does -- mitt romney does struggle sometimes when if comes to attempts at humor or levity, made a george cass tansa reference that felt a little dated. not that there is anything wrong with that. this exchange with rick perry. i want to play that. >> rick, i'll tell you what. $10,000? $10,000 bet. >> i'm not in the betting business. >> oh, okay. okay. >> that clearly got a lot of pickup. one of the dangers of offscript moments for a candidate like mitt romney.
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>> i think that this debate, the structure, you heard the audience laughing and a give and take. this is one of the silent debates where the audience is not going to be participating, florida, i think that you were seeing the same scenario that is set up for romney to give his two best debate performances in florida, which we just saw there. exactly where we are now in the campaign and that is his -- you know, he might feel like his back is against the wall, his type of debate, no one debate prep fits all. if you look at the difference of the "the tonight show" johnny carson likes the audience to be away from him. and jay leno likes to be amongst the audience and both were equally as funny doing the same job. the type of debate suits romney's strengths and has the ability to stay on -- stay on the offensive and really call out obama. >> yeah. >> on some of the things, just
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like with newt. >> professor, it's interesting. professor obama, not without his own weaknesses, hasn't debated since 2008. he's been long winded, professorial. no offense. and there was this moment when he debated hillary clinton. >> he's very likeable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likeable enough, hillary. >> i appreciate that. >> a fine line between, you know, putting your opponent on notice and not appearing to be mean. >> yes. the thing about that clip is she's so efacing and good, and he comes back, barely makes eye contact, sort of writing as he makes his line, and it's a contrast between the two of them that hurts him in that clip. >> especially in the double box.
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yes, it's that time of the night. time for the "ridiculist." tonight we're adding restaurant road kill. yes, that would be road kill found in a restaurant. in williamsburg, kentucky a woman was at a chinese restaurant at lunchtime with the ambiance was somewhat compromised by the sight of a deer carcass being unceremoniously dragged into the kitchen. you know what, i think i will let her give you the specifics.
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>> there was like a tail that was this big. it was a big white fuzzy tail, then like a leg was sticking out of the garbage can. i had a box on top of it and they were wheeling it in there like really quick like trying to hurry and one of the other employees were like mopping up the blood that was like dripping out of the garbage can on to the floor. >> oh, dear. so the lady called the health department and an inspector says sure enough, when he showed up, there was indeed a dead deer in the kitchen. he told a local news station that the owner's son admitted to picking it up on the side of the road. on the highway, as a matter of fact. the county sheriff elaborates. >> they had it cut up and they were dissecting it. >> okay. so they were dissecting it. maybe the kitchen staff teaches a rogue eighth grade biology class in the back. that's a logical explanation, right? when people heard about this, the whole road kill and the restaurant thing, they didn't like it one bit. in fact, one might say they were disgusted.
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very, very disgusted. >> disgusted. very, very disgusted. >> i was just like oh, god, you know. i couldn't believe it. i just could not. >> now, the county health department has shut the place down. they say the restaurant will have to be thoroughly cleaned before they even think of letting it reopen. burning question is, if it does open again, will people want to go there now? >> for them to pick up something off the road and who knows how long it's been dead, no. >> i would very thoroughly check my food before i ate it if i did. >> i'm not sure, but maybe they're overreacting just a bit. look, it's getting to the point where you can't even wheel one bloody deer carcass into a restaurant in a strip mall in kentucky in the middle of lunch without people freaking out and calling the health department. now, the people who own the restaurant say it was for their own personal use, that they weren't going to serve the deer. judge for yourself. perhaps my perspective is slightly skewed because i do live in new york city, where we pretty much assume that